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“I Wanted to Be Back”: Matt Kenseth Reflects on Erik Jones Replacing Him at JGR Before Reuniting for Jimmie Johnson’s NASCAR Team

Jerry Bonkowski
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Former NASCAR Cup Series driver Matt Kenseth looks on during practice and qualifying for the Wurth 400 at Dover Motor Speedway.

Former NASCAR Cup champion Matt Kenseth has gone from not liking Erik Jones to being the top guy in his corner emotionally, mentally and even in-person.

Back in 2017, it was announced that Jones would replace Kenseth at Joe Gibbs Racing after the season. But Kenseth still had to get through the season with Jones driving for the JGR-affiliated Furniture Row Racing team.

Kenseth knew Jones was going to be his replacement for the next season. But at the same time, Kenseth used Jones as motivation and incentive to lift his own racing performance — in essence, trying to show team owner Joe Gibbs that he still had it as a driver.

“Matt knew that he was the guy that was going to be out in that situation and ended up moving to make room for myself coming up through there,” Jones told NASCAR.com. “That made it harder to build a relationship.

“I don’t know that there was any animosity from him towards me, and obviously, there was none from me to him. But when you’re getting replaced, it’s never an easy situation.”

While he was still stung by the fact Jones would replace him in the No. 20 Toyota, Kenseth knew it wasn’t personal — it was simply NASCAR-related business.

“I’ve been around it for a long time, and the owners and other people make those decisions,” he said. “It’s not like the driver did it, or he was the owner and let me go.

“To be fair, Erik was Toyota’s guy at the time. He was Kyle’s [Busch] guy, Coach’s [Joe Gibbs] guy and was running really well and having a ton of success. I wasn’t exactly a spring chicken, so if you look at it, objectively, you can’t really blame anyone for that.”

As the old country song goes, it’s ‘Together, again’ for Kenseth and Jones

Fast forward to 2023 and Kenseth and Jones were once again united. Jones was driving for the Jimmie Johnson-co-owned Legacy Motor Club, and the now-retired Kenseth was hired to be a competition advisor. One of Kenseth’s top responsibilities was to help Jones become a better driver.

“Erik and I have always gotten along, but we never really knew each other at a high level at all,” Kenseth told NASCAR.com. “It was somewhat interesting because when I left Gibbs, they decided not to bring me back.

“I wholeheartedly wanted to be back for another year or two before I retired, and they replaced me with Erik, which makes it kind of interesting. The same thing happened with him. I think he had a lot of apprehension because he didn’t know me that well, and he took over that car when I wasn’t there.”

The two eventually went their separate ways. While Kenseth would have liked another year or two before retiring, his forced retirement actually turned out okay for him.

One of the biggest motivating factors for Kenseth was when he finished fourth in the 2017 summer night race at Bristol — proving he still had it as a driver.

“I was really more thinking about, ‘That’s my replacement, and I better run him down and pass him to show him I can still do it better than he can,’” Kenseth said. “I had those thoughts. But I wasn’t thinking anything about the playoffs, I was thinking about trying to win the race.

“It’s human nature. Whoever you’re catching for the lead, you’re always thinking something about them, right? Where you can sniff the victory, your mindset changes a little bit. It’s not just another car, it’s the leader, so you think things like that every once in a while. My brain’s a scary place.”

Jones has rallied up in the Cup standings of late

After finishing fifth last Saturday in the night race at Atlanta, Jones is up to 16th in the Cup standings — the cutoff line for the playoffs — after an outstanding rally of late, climbing from 30th in the standings after Talladega.

This has given Jones motivation and belief that he can still reach the playoffs, since there’s still eight races for him to continue making an upward move in the standings.

Jones knows he still has some way to go, but his relationship and tutelage from Kenseth is definitely helping him. Jones and Kenseth have let bygones be bygones and have put the whole situation at JGR behind them. They’re looking forward, not backward.

“To be totally honest, we started the year not taking as big of a step forward as I expected or was hoping we would take,” Kenseth said. “I feel like we took a pretty big leap within the last [seven or eight] weeks.

“We’ve had cars — both (Jones and teammate John Hunter Nemechek) or one of them — that were capable of running in the top 10. I don’t know if we had cars last year capable of running in the top 10, but once or twice.

“It’s been a big leap, but there’s a long way to go to get to where we want to be.”

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Jerry Bonkowski

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Jerry Bonkowski is a veteran sportswriter who has worked full-time for many of the top media outlets in the world, including USA Today (15 years), ESPN.com (4+ years), Yahoo Sports (4 1/2 years), NBCSports.com (8 years) and others. He has covered virtually every major professional and collegiate sport there is, including the Chicago Bulls' six NBA championships (including heavy focus on Michael Jordan), the Chicago Bears Super Bowl XX-winning season, the Chicago White Sox and Chicago Cubs World Series championships, two of the Chicago Blackhawks' NHL titles, Tiger Woods' PGA Tour debut, as well as many years of beat coverage of the NFL, MLB, NHL and NBA for USA Today. But Jerry's most notable achievement has been covering motorsports, most notably NASCAR, IndyCar, NHRA drag racing and Formula One. He has had a passion for racing since he started going to watch drag races at the old U.S. 30 Dragstrip (otherwise known as "Where the Great Ones Run!") in Hobart, Indiana. Jerry has covered countless NASCAR, IndyCar and NHRA races and championship battles over the years. He's also the author of a book, "Trading Paint: 101 Great NASCAR Debates", published in 2010 (and he's hoping to soon get started on another book). Away from sports, Jerry was a fully sworn part-time police officer for 20 years, enjoys reading and music (especially "hair bands" from the 1980s and 1990s), as well as playing music on his electric keyboard, driving (fast, of course!), spending time with Cyndee his wife of nearly 40 years, the couple's three adult children and three grandchildren (with more to come!), and his three dogs -- including two German Shepherds and an Olde English Bulldog who thinks he's a German Shepherd.. Jerry still gets the same excitement of seeing his byline today as he did when he started in journalism as a 15-year-old high school student. He is looking forward to writing hundreds, if not thousands, of stories in the future for TheSportsRush.com, as well as interacting with readers.

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